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Stuff That’s Hard to Do (Twofer: Falcon9 & Falcon Heavy)

July 29, 2023

Thursday Night Falcon9 Starlink
This booster’s 15th launch/landing

 

Friday’s Falcon Heavy Jupiter3 comsat launch
Side boosters land, center booster expended

¡¡ UPDATE !!

 

Full water-deluge test on Starhip launch mount
Another angle
Just a reminder of what can be done,
if your goal is to actually fix an actual problem
(see: engineering vs legislating)

¡¡ UPDATE !!

 

Aliens, aliens, I say!
Bigass satellite deployment

20 THOUGHTS ON “Stuff That’s Hard to Do (Twofer: Falcon9 & Falcon Heavy)”

  • Henk Vandenbergh says:
    July 27, 2023 at 3:42 pm

    Question: during the Starship launch we were clearly able to see each of the (almost) 33 engines separately.
    Not so with Falcon 9, where it is just one big blob of fire.
    Is that because of using a different fuel, having a more complete/clean burn?

    • DougM says:
      July 27, 2023 at 9:12 pm

      • First guess: Starship booster engines have larger engine exit diameters, so there’s more room between ’em
      • Second guess: that cool view of Starship’s early ascent was from more directly behind than we see with Falcons
      • Third guess: night launch vids are very high contrast, so detail in the bright part of the exposure is lost
      • Buuut you’re prob’ly right; Falcon (Kerosene/Ox) is smokier than Starship (Methane/Ox), i.e. Starship’s exhaust is more transparent

      Like I said, guessin’
      Anybody out there have a good explanation?
      (you know, somebody who knows what the sam hill they’re talkin’ about)

      • Igor says:
        July 28, 2023 at 5:48 pm

        Uh, yes – I used to work on missiles.
        1st – essentially right. The engines are closer together.
        2nd – makes no difference. Essentially correct though.
        3rd – right, of course.
        4th – Methalox DOES burn much cleaner than Keralox. That’s why the Falcon 9 gets so sooty during reentry.

        • DougM says:
          July 28, 2023 at 6:06 pm

          Thanks!

  • Blake says:
    July 28, 2023 at 6:20 am

    Speaking of Starship, what is the advantage of methane over kerosene? (I saw an article wherein the CCP claimed to have launched the first successful orbital rocket using methane. Since it’s the CCP, grain of salt and all that)

    • DougM says:
      July 28, 2023 at 10:27 am

      I think the main advantage is that methane can be made on Mars

      • Igor says:
        July 28, 2023 at 5:51 pm

        Yes. Plus, Methalox has more Isp than Keralox (Isp = Specific Impulse, or how much thrust you get).
        Hydrolox is superior to either one of them, but as was mentioned, Methane is MUCH easier to make – a tremendous advantage when sporting about another planet…
        Hydrogen is so very slippery to handle, unfortunately.

        • DougM says:
          July 28, 2023 at 6:27 pm

          Well, to be pedantic, using a simplified form:
          Isp = thrust (lbf) divided by propellant flow rate (lbm/sec)
          It’s a measure of how efficiently propellant is converted to impulse
          (i.e. how well delta-V is made, larger is better)

          • Blake says:
            July 28, 2023 at 7:24 pm

            There’s always methane recovery from, umm, waste systems, too. 😀

          • Igor says:
            July 30, 2023 at 9:54 pm

            I was keeping it simple, Doug.

          • DougM says:
            July 30, 2023 at 10:04 pm

            *heh*
            And I was trying to keep it pedantic,
            so we both won

  • rickn8or says:
    July 28, 2023 at 12:20 pm

    Trolling for oldsters here.

    Was the Jupiter 3 launched to find/rescue the Jupiter 2?

    • DougM says:
      July 28, 2023 at 4:11 pm

      Mmmm,
      Judy Robinson

  • dick not quite dead white guy says:
    July 28, 2023 at 12:48 pm

    ^^”….methane can be made on Mars.”
    They have cows on Mars?

    • DougM says:
      July 28, 2023 at 4:08 pm

      *heh*
      Methane (CH4) is just Hydrogen & Carbon,
      and I understand it’s readily doable on Mars.
      Don’t make me go look-up the process;
      organic chemistry’s not my strong suit

      • Igor says:
        July 28, 2023 at 5:56 pm

        It’s not really Organic Chem, Doug.

        Methane can be readily be made from CO2 and water. Hydrogen can be disassociated from water alone but takes more energy and is relatively harder to handle. You are always having to make tradedoffs in Engineering.

        • DougM says:
          July 28, 2023 at 6:43 pm

          Thanks
          Hey, if a cow can make CH4, so can a chemical engineer

      • dick not quite dead white guy says:
        July 28, 2023 at 9:26 pm

        Obviously not mine either. I just couldn’t resist a riff on the Eco-Nazis’ cow fart phobia.
        And Igor, thanks for the enlightenment!

  • Blake says:
    July 28, 2023 at 7:23 pm

    Looking at the water deluge test makes me go, “hmmm.”

    Yeah, sure, Elon and SpaceX had no plan because the launch pad was destroyed.

    So, SpaceX just whipped up that water deluge system and had Ace Hardware deliver?

  • Mechtech says:
    July 30, 2023 at 5:27 am

    Thanks for the satellite deployment video, I had been looking for it.
    If anyone can find video of the sat opening up for business, that would be supremely awesome.

    –mech

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